Maestra, your microphone is muted, so I cannot hear you.

Hold on, I want you to see the hair.

Great.

Yeah. You look like a fashion critic,

No, Susan, how do I look to you?

Very good in these glasses.

Yeah.

Item, right?

Yeah, look at that.

Look at the jawline.

At the jaw?

The jawline, look.

Yeah.

Defined.

Exactly, just like our relationship.

Oh my god, can you hear me now? Can you hear me?

Can you hear me? Yeah.

Let me turn this off, hold on.

If I would turn this off.

Okay, so… so…

Although, how do I turn this off so you don't stare at me and get distracted by my beauty?

You already turned it off. Okay, now it's… I don't know, it's back on. It's like you're…

There we go, there we go.

Okay, it's awesome.

There we go. Yeah.

Christ.

So, let me share.

Okay, can you see it?

Look at Charles Puma, how fucking dumb he looks.

Oh my god.

An idiot.

What do you think's gonna happen with the show? What do you think?

I… I don't think that she'll continue making these sales consistently. Maybe one more… one sale before December, because I don't see how she converts new people into buyers. I think it's incredibly difficult, and I don't think she has the power

Or, you call it urgency, but it's more about the power of.

How come I'm so good at this? I mean, I'm amazing at this. And I've been… by the way, I've been amazing at this for 20 years. I'm a… because I'm on the phone all day. The problem is this.

I don't think about a quota. I'm constantly operating, moving, shaking, making shit happen at all times, all day long. I send people pictures of me and them, I'm texting people, calling. She… she… if I had to… if I reach the quota of 10 emails a day, nothing would ever happen. She's a quota person.

She's a… she's a cool… and you know what she says to me? She goes, I've never worked so hard before. I think she's kind of lazy.

I think she's kind of lazy, man. I don't think that she's… I think that she… I think that she's, did very well in school, has a couple master's degrees, is very smart, but I don't… I think she's lazy.

You know, I think she's lazy, and I think she thinks that she can just talk to me on the phone, and that's good enough, but I'm gonna tell her. Eventually, I'm gonna tell her, listen, I think you're amazing, I love knowing you, but this is not $8,000 a month for me. I'm sorry, it's just not… but I'm not gonna do it. I'm gonna give her… I'm gonna give her until December 15th. I will. But after that, I'm like, because every time she sends me an invoice for 4 grand, I'm like, hey, here's four grand, nothing happened.

Here's four grand, nothing happened. It's like a… it's like a hockey team.

If you start the season zero, and you lose.

Well, something happened to these two sales, they're, they're…

Exactly.

Big sales. Yeah, sure.

That saved her. Those sales saved her. Totally.

You have enough intuition to know that she's not going to continue with the sales at this speed.

No.

No. You already sense it.

Yeah, that's…

The problem. Yeah.

Anyway, I'm just gonna… I'm gonna do my best, being patient. Okay, let's… let's do this here, because I love the book, the books I make. I mean, put it this way, I… I have about, 350 books in my house.

And she's, in 2 months, given 2 away.

That's a problem.

Problem for me. She's given… I have 350 books in my house, and she's given 2 away.

How many collector's editions books did you have in your house that you didn't give me even once?

Well, I mean, well, I don't know where you are. I mean, I'll give you… wherever you are, I'll hand deliver it to you. I mean, are you kidding me? I've got… I only have about.

No, I just want one. I just want one.

It's, by the way, Collector's edition is spectacular. It is spectacular. So, by the way, it's always flirting with danger, and by the way, this book's gonna be amazing, too. Amazing.

Yeah.

Look, I don't know where you are in the world, so I don't know.

It doesn't matter, I have a space in Toronto, but I know I'm not in… I'm not there often, but whatever. When I'm in Toronto, okay, we have a deal.

No, when you're in Toronto, this is what you'll do, when you're in Toronto, you'll go to my house, and you'll meet Michelle, and then you'll study her yourself.

Yes.

Yes.

So, yeah, by the way, I'm leaving Saturday. I'm supposed to go out with a super hot Persian girl tomorrow night, super hot. I've wanted to go out with her for 3 years, but I'm sure she's gonna flake on me. If she flakes, I don't even care. I just don't even care, man. I'm like, if you flake on me, I'm like, alright. I don't fucking care. You know? Doesn't matter to me.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's…

That's.

Would approach.

Yeah. I was coming in.

That's called outcome independent.

Yes.

Well, hopefully.

S…

Yes. Yes. Outcome independent, totally. Totally. I really am. I really am. I really don't even… I don't care. If she meets me, great. If not, I don't care. I really don't even care either way. It's crazy. Okay, let's go through this together right now. What am I looking at?

Okay, so, with the horse, I think we need to go with option 4. You see my screen from left.

Oh, yeah. Hold on, no, I kinda like option 3.

Because… because look at the gutter. Look how close, the horse is to the gutter. Yeah, option 3 is not bad, it's not bad, because the gutter is not cutting anything, so let'.

Yeah.

So let me zoom in a little bit here. Okay.

Option 3 and Option 4 are the same.

No, it's just the caption, it's just the caption.

Oh, by the way, I don't know, I like it to be full bleed on top and bottom, though. You like the way that looks, though?

No, it's… look at what happens when it's full bleed. The horse is cut by the gutter.

Okay, forget that.

And there's nothing that we can do, so it's… we're gonna do it in this book a couple of more times, like this.

You know what? You know what? It's kinda good, actually. It's kinda good. I kinda like it. I kinda like it. I kinda like it.

So the difference is just horizontal… horizontal or vertical caption. I think vertical is more elegant, fits nicer, more white space around it.

No, I think, horizontal's better.

Yeah? You're one for example? Yes. Okay, let me take a note here, like this.

Okay, next one.

Yeah, that's, that's, Huh.

Yeah, I don't.

I think the one with the whiteboard around is better.

And does it, just feel more airy,

Yeah, it does. Do you agree, do you agree or not?

I like it, yeah, I agree.

Yeah, I like it, I like it a lot, I like it a lot, I like it a lot.

Yep.

Okay, than… Let's see if we want to use the same principle with this image.

Oh, definitely. No, definitely.

You want these margins.

I kind of love it, man. Let me go… I've never done this before like this. Let me see it. Let me see it. I kind of love… I love them. I love the margins. I love them. I love them.

Huh.

I love them.

Okay, then I guess it's the same here, with the margins.

Love them. Love it.

I love that for the book. Oh, that's beautiful. That is beautiful.

Ivan did hear something unusual on the left, more kind of German on the right. Which one do you like?

You know what's crazy?

I think I kinda like the unusual one. How about you?

Yeah, I agree. This is just a little bit boring, the way.

Yeah, I think it's amazing. I think it's amazing. I think it's amazing.

It's amazing. It's amazing what he did. It's amazing.

Yeah, I love it. It's amazing.

God, let's mutation.

Actually amazing. You know what? Just like you.

You see, Michell.

Shell doesn't excite me with… with progress, and that's what bothers me. You excite me with progress, you know what I mean?

And your invoices feel good to pay. I'll pay you on Sunday. It feels good. They just feel good.

You know what?

You've got vision, you know, like, we're just… you're… you're in it for the, like, you're in it forever, you know?

So, why don't I, if I can find time.

Find one lead for Michelle to call my way, and she just calls the person.

You do it, sure.

Because then, if this works, then you have a formula.

Sure. Let's talk about her after, I'm in the book now, fuck it. We'll do it after.

So…

I kinda like the consistency of this little border. You know why? It's like a frame. It's a frame. I love it. I think we should do most of the book this way. It's like, you know why? It's like the images are in a frame. I love them. I love this border. I never thought about it before.

I love it.

I love it. I fucking love it.

I love it, I love it for… any time it's a debate, I want that every time. We've never done this before, I want this every time.

Well, here it, kind of, it looks very good without the border, also, Rio.

There's only.

No, I want it with the border. I like… you know why? It looks like it's in a frame. It looks like it's in a frame. I love it, I love it. I love it, I love it.

I'm so ha… I'm so happy I went to Rio and made these pictures. I'm so happy. They're so good.

I love the game. I love it. Oh, amazing there, too. Amazing there, too.

Yeah.

Amazing there, too.

Okay, so I like the one on the right, but it's cropped more. Your image is cropped way more, but if you don't want to crop it, then…

One on the right, one on the right, one on the right, definitely one on the right, for sure. It's amazing, it's amazing. This book's amazing. Fuck. Yeah,

Okay, so…

Oh yeah, same thing again, same thing, yeah, love it. Same thing.

No, they both have margins. I guess.

No, the one on the right, one on the right, one on the right.

Okay, the one on the left…

One on the left.

Yeah.

The one on the left…

Yeah. This book's amazing. This book's amazing.

Okay, nothing to discuss here, it looks good, I think, looks good.

I mean, we could make it larger so it goes into this area, but I…

Yeah, no, I think it should be full bleed, like, equal.

No, it's equal, it's equal, 100%, it's equal, but it could be even, like, it could… but I don't, I don't.

No.

Okay, so here is just the captions. I am not sure which one… I think I like…

Right side.

No, they're the same, it's just larger captions on the right.

Yeah, larger on the right, larger on the right. You're like, yeah, because the captions help tell the story, yeah, larger on the right, yep, yeah. Fuck, this book's amazing. It's so good.

Right, I already know. Right, because…

You know, based on what we discussed, yeah.

Yami, yeah, definitely.

Yeah. Okay, write again…

It's amazing. This book is amazing.

Yeah.

I'll write again.

Yeah, I love the consistency of this, the entire book.

Right.

Oh my god.

Hold on.

On.

Yup.

It's amazing, man. Fuck. Same thing. Hold on a second. Yeah, you know what? It looks like a frame. It looks like a frame. I love it. It looks like a frame.

Yup.

Which one do you prefer here?

Left.

Yeah.

And here?

Kinda left him.

Yeah.

Okay, right, we know.

Yeah, I love this. This is, this, and see his progress, man, love it. This book's amazing.

Fuck, it's good.

Yeah, love it.

Discuss, okay, here's a write.

Oh, yeah, right again. I love this for the book, I love this for the book. It's amazing. It's such a… it's consistent. Oh, you're right, yeah, right. I mean… Left.

Now that… Left, okay.

Actually, I hear… I like the full bleed, but… but…

Which one do you like?

Let's… let's go full bleed on this, just change it up.

Yeah, I mean, it's not truly full blade, there's a strip on the right, but this looks beautiful, this field, without the white.

Okay, here, it's up to you.

Right side, right.

Okay, in here.

Oh yeah, definitely, same right, yeah.

Yeah.

Right?

Yep.

Right.

Yup.

Okay, we discussed the… we actually discussed the black margin here, but…

No, right.

Huh.

Right.

It's good.

White, it's good in white, I like it in white, yup.

Okay. Gary.

Now, there are two options. This is one option, and the second option.

Oh, I think right there is a better option, definitely.

No.

What do you think? What do you think?

No, we have four options, basically. Either we can leave these white pages, if Luisa allows us to have these pages, depends on some other things. If we don't have enough pages, then we need to… we need to put them side by side, which is not bad, by the way.

I kind of like a side-by-side more. It's more of a story. I like side-by-side better, so it's not worthy of four pages. Side-by-side's good.

Yeah, so, look at the captions.

Which ones do, like, left side, right side, middle?

Middle.

Okay.

Okay, two options here.

I kinda like the white.

Yeah, me too.

I kinda like the white here also. I don't love… I don't love both borders like that. It's too bad.

No, you would rather see them on four sides? I can show you a different version tomorrow. Yeah.

I don't love his spread. I love this picture, I don't love his spread, though, yeah.

Right?

Definitely.

Amazing. It's amazing.

Yeah.

There's only one here… Okay?

Small.

Okay, here?

Interesting. I kinda like the black on this one, how about you?

Me too, we selected black last time, when we spoke, but here it's more real with almost real captions. So, yeah, let's go with the black one.

Hold on.

Book's amazing. Book's amazing. I love it.

Yeah.

I don't think we're gonna use that image right there with the leg and the ear. I don't think we're using it, but if we… I don't… I think that's out of the book. That's out. The one underneath, it's out.

This one might be out.

Yeah, that's how, yeah, that's how…

Okay, let me take a note, because if we have to lose pages, I think we'll lose that Matrix…

I'd rather lose that page and have 4 pages of people talking about David Revan. Like, that's the same stuff that's on the new website. I'd rather have that, too.

You know what I mean?

I'm here.

I kinda like black here, too.

Yeah, yep.

Maybe black hair, too.

Nope, I think I like white here.

Because the black looks like it's part of her arm, you need the separation. White. We don't, we don't.

We put a line. We put a line here, that would be printed, it would separate. This line would separate the image.

I need to see… I need to see how it looks. We don't want to have that whiteboard around the whole thing here.

We can try. Can try here, too.

I'll see why Ivan didn't do it.

I'm weird.

You'll like the one on the right, I think.

Oh, definitely right, yep.

In view.

Scientific.

Here?

Left side, for sure, but I don't…

Yeah, the gutter.

I think we need that white… that white line here, too. I don't know why we don't have that there either. I kind of like it. I want to see the option with that white line. I don't like the double white border on either side. I just don't like that look.

No, but the problem is the gutter here. It goes through her head and her foot.

Look at the gutter. And here, it just cuts her… it cuts their legs.

Which is…

Interesting. That might work, that might work.

Can I see with that white overall border around it? That might work, actually. That might work. That might work, yeah.

Okay.

Yep. We gotta get the thumbnails, and I also think we should do a spread of all the books we've done, with the descript… I think we should do a thumbnail spread, and we should do a spread with all the books we've done.

They're descriptions.

With the descriptions as well, so you can see all the books we've done, and we have to have another double page or four pages of… of people talking about… of publications talking about me, but that are different from the last book.

Yes, we need that.

I'd rather lose spreads than add that.

That's crucial for the book, is the third-party validation. Crucial for the book.

Okay, here, which one?

I'm just working on my book right now, so you can get one of my… or two, or three of my… of my images. You could afford it, man!

So?

What the fuck?

I'm starving, man, I'm sleeping here tonight.

I'm okay, man. She's beautiful. I love your shirt, I love your relationship. I love your heart on your shirt, too!

That's nice!

She's fine.

Wow, that's beautiful.

Beautiful. See ya. See ya, man.

But yeah.

You too. Don't get too crazy up there, huh?

Oh, man, okay, keep going. See, like… like, Michelle, she can't… she can't do what I just did. She can't… she just can't do that. She's too… she's three-dimensional, man. You know, she's not 5D like that. You watch me in action. I have all the… I've got… I've got talent and moves. She's got…

She's got… she's got work ethic, but she's got… she's

I love her, but she's just fucking…

She's a quarter person. She's called a person, you know what I mean? Quota.

You know?

Would you say this about… what's his name? Cook, who replaced, Steve Jobs, what's, what's his… Tim Cook!

No.

Elephant.

No. I think…

Yeah, go ahead.

No, I think that's a great point. That's a really great point. I think that he… Has vision, too.

I think he has vision, too. That was the… that was a… yeah, I think he's got great vision. Total vision.

He's opposite from Steve Jobs, in a way. He is kind of more introverted, very logical, he's about numbers, and he… I think…

I think Apple sells 30 times more products than with Steve Jobs, 30.

Wow.

Wow.

Wow. Under Tim Cook, like, he…

Well, put it this way. Do I… do I think that Michelle could run my business? No fucking chance. Could she run my business? Do I think my sister could? Definitely. But the problem is, my sister… my sister could… well, they, like…

The thing is, they… like, she's… How do I put this? I'm… without me, it can't run, unfortunately.

You know? Look at my videos, look at… I mean, you and Mira could probably run the whole thing, and it would be a different… my grid would look different, my videos would look different, you know? But she does… she could never… look at… look at my Instagram post. My Instagram… I'm… I'm… I'm, it's really hard to, you know, just find someone like me. Anyways, let's keep going.

But she shouldn't be like you, she should just do business development, not be like you.

But I don't think she's very good at business development, that's the problem. She's not clever. She, like, what I just did one minute ago is business development. She's just… she doesn't have… listen, we'll get to this later, let's finish the book.

Okay, which one here?

Left.

Contrast, left contrast, yeah.

Don't go down.

Nicole?

I gotta leave you in a second, because I gotta take a piss really badly.

Okay.

It's about the.

Better about the gutter, so just look at where, I like this, maybe better.

Right side's fine, right side's fine, right side's fine.

Can I see it with the whiteboard around it, though? I really want to see that white board around it, just to make sure, because I like that element for the book a lot.

Yeah.

You know, we need to do… we need to see what's better, that or the white border, too.

Okay, next one, I think you'll like the one on the right.

Definitely. I love it. It's like a frame, I love it.

Here…

That's gotta be a loan, that's gotta be a loan. That's beautiful, that's beautiful.

Beautiful.

Beautiful.

I think.

I think it's better alone, I think they're better alone. I think it's better alone.

Yeah, okay.

Yup, love it.

No, I think…

Oh, hold on. That one on the bottom right's kind of good, though. Foka's kinda good.

What do you like better, together? Together or alone?

I… I like the dynamic between her and the legs, it's like… it's like her, and it's like…

I like it together.

Yeah.

Yeah, I like it, I like it. It's almost like she's looking up, and her boyfriend's banging that girl. So, yeah, no, I like it together. I like the story better together. Better together, right side, yep, done.

Yup.

Yup, keep going.

This book is amazing, I love the order. I love it.

Can I just… can I just pe… take a piss right now? I gotta go badly, hold on a second. I'm just gonna go while we're on the phone, I don't care, hold on.

Hold on.

If I see someone I know, I'm just gonna talk to them, I don't care. I can talk to you. Hold on, listen to me right now. Michelle can never do this.

This young man. Sorry, hold on, just pretend I'm not here.

Nice to meet you again, Steve.

Okay, I'm walking through this… this bar right now. I know a lot of people, but I'm not gonna talk to any of these people.

I don't care.

Thanks.

Hold on one sec, I'm going to the bathroom with you right now. See, I'd rather work on my book than sit in the bar.

I still like.

Beautiful.

Harrison.

You know?

Yeah.

Pardon.

Guys on his phone, I fucking stuck.

Pleasure to you, Joel.

Let me just…

Just give me… can you…

Can you still see the screen? The screen?

No.

It happens.

Let me go here.

I'm leaving Saturday, man. I'm leaving Saturday.

I just need my… I need my view, you know? I need my view and my place. You know what I mean? The girls are amazing, and the girls are amazing, but they're all working. I would hire them. I would.

If I knew they were real.

Are you back?

No, I'm back, I'm back in a second, hold on.

That's what I mean?

Okay, hold on a second.

Give me, let me step in here, your mom?

One second.

Okay, I'm back.

Okay.

Here we go. Okay, yeah, I love, yeah, looks great.

Right. On the right. Yeah.

The one on the right, probably.

Again, I love that white border. We gotta try that on every image, I love it. That white border, it's like a signature for the entire book, because it looks like the images are in frames. I love it, I think it's amazing.

Yes.

Amazing.

Yeah.

I mean, it's a little… it's a little… hold on, go back up. It's a little close to the border on this one. What do we… what can we do about that? The border?

The gutter, I think, you…

Sort of the gutter, yeah.

Well, we can maybe do what we did.

The…

Pass something like this, where.

No, that's too much.

Well, just… A little bit less.

Yeah, a little bit less.

…

Yeah.

Okay, I'll let, Ivan, alliance.

We'll just…

Hold on.

Okay, so, we have 4 options here.

See what… Yeah, I think you like the one with the frame, now it's just… Yeah.

Right or left?

Yep.

I'm not sure.

Caption left. Caption left.

Okay. Caption left. Love this one. Okay. Yeah.

White.

Okay, you'll like the one on the right, I think.

Yeah?

I wish it was… I wish I didn't have both borders, but I guess we have to, because of the… the…

Gutter, right? I like the one on the right, but I guess…

Can we do it without… without a border, only one side, or without… with a border on one side, or not?

Let me see why Ivan… Like… like this?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, I don't know why we didn't do that before.

Because of where the gutter is, it's kind of… I'm not sure if it's awkward or not. This part is too small, this part of an image looks too small, no?

Bab me!

It's hard for… it's hard for me to see. It's hard for me to see, I'm on my phone, it's hard for me to see.

I'll… I'll, I'll send you a screenshot.

Okay.

Like the one on the right.

Yep.

Right?

Yeah, great.

Okay, that's it. We're covered.

Yeah.

Everything.

So, whatever we can do to try as many as we can with that frame style, that would be great.

Yeah.

So…

Okay, cool.

Yeah, I'm just… I just have to be patient with her until… until… until mid-December, and I'll let you know, but I just…

I don't know, like…

I don't know, I need to… my gut tells me that I need to be patient. So I'll be patient, and we'll see. I gotta be patient, and we'll see. You know?

That's it.

I'm going back to New York on Saturday, let's not come back to Toronto for a long time, and let's see what she can do, you know what I mean? Let's see what she can do.

Yeah.

So how long you been in Paraguay for?

Probably just a few days, but I'll, I'll see, I'll see if I get a motorcycle license here.

Oh… Oh, don't repeat that.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

I sent an email to Dan to upload all the high-res images. We need to get those other spreads also, with the thumbnails, and with the press talking about me.

And the book, and the books to all my books with Tenois. All my… all my Tenois books.

With the description that's on the website.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So…

Okay.

Without… without the links, just the descriptions.

Yes. Yes.

Folks are gonna be great, love it all, and I can't… and they're gonna send me, they're gonna send me a,

A cover test to New York. I need to… I can't wait to go back to New York on Saturday. I need to get out of here. I gotta get out of here. I can't spend more than two more days here. I just gotta… I just gotta go. I just gotta go. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I've already started packing my bag. I gotta go. I need that view.

You know, even the madam from the fucking whorehouse around the corner is texting me, where are you, baby? Did I not send you the text exchange I had with her?

Like, I got a lot of…

I got a lot of hot girls, I got a lot of hot girls, you know?

So, okay, so we're almost done with the… we're getting close with the book. Yeah. We're getting close. Beautiful. Okay, thank you. Okay, good.

Thanks. Bye.

I'll talk to you… if I don't talk to you before Sunday, I'll talk to you Sunday.

Okay, cool.

Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye.