August 24, 2026 · 23 minutes
David Drebin Book Spread White Borders & Title Placement
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David Drebin 71% Arseni 29%
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- Let's re… let's reverse, the bottom left
- Let's look at the next slide
- We'll see how we did it in
- Let's try black here
- We'll add a border for Forever Wild
- We'll just swap out the title, you
- Let's go black, let's go black
- We'll look at this, with the captions
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- Let's re… let's reverse, the bottom left.
- Let's look at the next slide.
- We'll see how we did it in the previous books.
- Let's try black here.
- We'll add a border for Forever Wild.
- We'll just swap out the title, you know what I mean.
- Let's go black, let's go black.
- We'll look at this, with the captions.
- Let's blow that up, this picture, left side, blow it up.
- Let's go to the next one.
- Let's go white.
- We'll need to….
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Arseni
Alright, ready?
0:37
David Drebin
I'm on my phone, but I'm ready.
0:38
Arseni
Okay, let me share on the screen.
0:41
Arseni
Okay, can you see it?
0:55
David Drebin
Yep.
0:58
Arseni
Okay, so, this one, let me show you on black, so you see, it just feels completely different.
1:01
David Drebin
White, totally white.
1:08
Arseni
Okay.
1:11
Arseni
Now, these ones, I think maybe…
1:13
David Drebin
Yes, more like that, more like that.
1:18
Arseni
Like this, yeah.
1:20
1:21David Drebin
Yup.
1:22
Arseni
White border.
1:23
David Drebin
White borders.
1:26
Arseni
Yeah.
1:28
David Drebin
Where are we gonna put the names of these, though? I mean, this does look amazing. I don't know… I don't like that order, though.
1:32
David Drebin
I don't like that order.
1:36
David Drebin
The order should be… the order should be… Well…
1:41
David Drebin
Let's re… let's reverse, the bottom left and the top right.
1:47
Arseni
Well, I cannot do it now, because it's just a little… preview all…
1:54
David Drebin
It's not terrible, though, it's not terrible. I don't think it's great, though. No, I think, no, I think the yellow should be in the top left, the white should be in the top right.
1:58
David Drebin
The top left should be in the bottom left, and the top right should be in the bottom right.
2:07
David Drebin
More of a story, right?
2:13
Arseni
It should go, it should be yellow, white… Yellow, white.
2:14
David Drebin
It should be the girl in the yellow as the top left, the girl in the white, top right.
2:20
Arseni
And then…
2:26
David Drebin
That should be the top right, bottom left, and the top left, bottom right. That will look great.
2:27
Arseni
Okay, it's all… all in the transcript, we'll… we'll do it.
2:33
David Drebin
Yeah. But I… but I do think….
2:38
David Drebin
I don't know if we should do a little bit of a border there to put their titles, I'm not sure.
2:43
David Drebin
Let's look at the next slide.
2:47
Arseni
Why don't we increase the margins, make them white, make them white… much wider, and that will maybe give us space to put the title.
2:48
David Drebin
Yes.
2:59
Arseni
Would it be one title for all four of them?
2:59
David Drebin
Yeah, exactly, yeah.
3:03
Arseni
Okay.
3:07
David Drebin
Yeah, next. That should be the same, that should be the same to a board. Yeah, there you go, there you go, there you go. Yeah, there you go.
3:07
David Drebin
Same thing there, same thing there, same thing there. Do that again.
3:14
Arseni
Through it, maybe.
3:17
David Drebin
Yeah, there you go. Other way?
3:18
David Drebin
No, go back the other way.
3:21
David Drebin
Mmm.
3:24
Arseni
I think it's the mountain that is looking at the left side. It's kind of, like, looking at the left.
3:25
David Drebin
Okay, I like that, I like that, I like that.
3:31
Arseni
Yeah.
3:33
David Drebin
I like that too, I like that too, yeah.
3:33
Arseni
Okay. Now, about the black color, I didn't show you. No. Maybe nowhere. No.
3:35
David Drebin
Hold on, go back up, go back up.
3:47
David Drebin
Oh, that one's so great as a spread, but where are you gonna put the title?
3:49
Arseni
Do we really need titles? We didn't always have titles for… I mean.
3:56
4:01David Drebin
Well, we gotta… we gotta put it somewhere, we gotta, you know, it's… the titles are kind of important, so…
4:00
David Drebin
I don't know.
4:05
Arseni
I'll, we'll see how we did it in the previous books. I don't think.
4:06
David Drebin
Maybe we make a board where we put the title.
4:11
Arseni
Yeah, we could… we could do that.
4:14
David Drebin
I think so. I think everything needs a title. The titles are very important. Very important.
4:17
David Drebin
Like, my nephew had his girlfriend looking at my books, and they were looking at the pictures, and they were gonna come up with their own titles as part of the game. So, there's a real power to the titles, definitely.
4:22
Arseni
Hurry up.
4:32
Arseni
Yeah.
4:33
Arseni
Okay.
4:35
Arseni
Let's try black here.
4:38
David Drebin
Oh, that one's ama… that one's amazing. No, that one's… no.
4:40
David Drebin
Aww.
4:45
Arseni
Dramatic, very dramatic, but it's too much. It's too much.
4:48
David Drebin
Too much. I like the whole thing with white. I do, I like the whole thing with white.
4:51
David Drebin
I don't like those double-side borders. I like one border only. Yeah, I like that better. I like that better.
4:57
David Drebin
Same with that, we gotta get a border in there, too. Maybe. Maybe.
5:03
Arseni
For the title. That is for the title. Now, when we do the border, I don't think maybe we just do it on the bottom side, just for the title, not on our.
5:07
5:20David Drebin
Yes, yeah. Okay, next. Yeah, same thing there, next one.
5:14
Arseni
Interesting.
5:21
David Drebin
This book is… by the way, this book is fucking amazing and very expensive, but it's amazing. Like, it's amazing.
5:22
Arseni
It's more expensive than the other ones.
5:28
David Drebin
No. The fo- the places I went to.
5:31
Arseni
Oh my. Yes.
5:34
David Drebin
It's a very glamorous… it is extremely glamorous book. Extremely expensive looking.
5:37
Arseni
Like.
5:44
David Drebin
You know what I mean? It is real luxury.
5:45
Arseni
A line like this, maybe?
5:50
David Drebin
Yeah.
5:52
David Drebin
Full, make her full, make her full.
5:55
David Drebin
Yeah.
6:00
Arseni
Yep.
6:02
David Drebin
It's better, it's just better full, it's just better full.
6:03
Arseni
Yeah. Yeah. Okay, this will be different.
6:06
David Drebin
We know what to do there, we know what to do there.
6:08
Arseni
Okay.
6:10
David Drebin
Well, we… well, you know what… you know what to do there, right? Like, we… we…
6:11
David Drebin
We could add a little border there, for sure.
6:16
Arseni
Everywhere will be.
6:19
David Drebin
Same with there, same with there, same with there. But they are kind of amazing.
6:20
David Drebin
Fuck is 3 spreads in a row. They are kind of amazing as 3 spreads in a row.
6:24
Arseni
We could maybe add one border and put 3 captions for 3 spreads, and then these could remain full bleed.
6:29
David Drebin
Let's do that, let's do that. Let's have a border only on that one right there.
6:37
David Drebin
Yes. Brilliant!
6:43
David Drebin
Brilliant. Yeah.
6:46
David Drebin
Same thing there, do the… do the white on the right side, there we go, there you go, yeah.
6:56
Arseni
Okay, border, okay, I'll try a border.
7:04
David Drebin
You know what? That one there, that one there, no border on that one there, and then the next one, border with both names.
7:08
Arseni
So, no water on Rio de Janeiro.
7:16
David Drebin
No borough. Next one? Okay, let's see that, let's see that one as,
7:17
David Drebin
Yeah. Well, no, she doesn't… yeah, that's better, that's better, that's better, that's better.
7:24
Arseni
It could not be an indicator.
7:28
David Drebin
That's better, yeah. Well, hold on, go back.
7:29
Arseni
Bob, by the way, by the way, no, she could not be in the gutter.
7:32
Arseni
So…
7:36
David Drebin
Yeah.
7:37
Arseni
But on black, it's kind of, like, maybe even more organic.
7:37
David Drebin
I think black's the way to go on this one, 100%. 100%. Yep. Then we should add a couple black ones in the beginning, then, too. Yeah. Okay. This one here, too, let's see this one here. Let's see black.
7:45
Arseni
Yeah.
7:58
David Drebin
No, white.
8:00
David Drebin
Yup, white.
8:02
Arseni
Welcome.
8:04
David Drebin
Full bleed. Next.
8:07
David Drebin
Full bleed, bring her up, bring her up, bring her up.
8:11
David Drebin
Yeah, it's gotta be that, it's gotta be that, yep.
8:14
David Drebin
See a border on this? See a border? No, yeah, white border, one side.
8:20
David Drebin
Other side.
8:25
Arseni
Yeah. That side.
8:27
Arseni
Outside.
8:28
David Drebin
That side, there you go, that side. No.
8:30
David Drebin
No other side.
8:34
Arseni
Yeah.
8:37
David Drebin
Yeah, there it is, there it is, yup, yep.
8:38
David Drebin
Put a border on that, too, a border on that. That's an amazing picture. It's fucking amazing. I love it. It's amazing.
8:45
David Drebin
Oh yeah, left side border.
8:55
Arseni
I just wanna, okay. We'll add a border for Forever Wild, so I have a note.
8:56
David Drebin
Let's see that left side? Border?
9:04
David Drebin
Oh yeah, left side, for sure. Black.
9:07
Arseni
Yeah. No, I call it right. Well, the image is on the right side.
9:13
David Drebin
That would be a great border, left side, yeah, great border, yeah, great border.
9:17
Arseni
That is Purple Heat, okay.
9:22
David Drebin
Yep.
9:24
Arseni
Welcome.
9:25
Arseni
So, do you want the border for the captions?
9:26
David Drebin
Yes.
9:29
Arseni
Okay, for hidden fields, okay, saying for Into the world…
9:30
David Drebin
I might change the name Hidden Fields, I don't think it's good enough.
9:35
David Drebin
I might change the name, but I'm not gonna change many titles, but once we have it, we'll just swap out the title, you know what I mean?
9:40
Arseni
Okay, so we need a border, I guess, for the caption, into the wild, okay?
9:46
Arseni
Here, let's, maybe…
9:53
David Drebin
Right side, there you go. Other side?
9:55
Arseni
No, I've broken.
10:00
David Drebin
Yeah.
10:02
Arseni
I'm not sure about that. Not bad. But this is more…
10:03
David Drebin
Oh, I think, yeah, white's better, white's better, yeah.
10:09
Arseni
Okay, your border, option, okay.
10:14
Arseni
Yep.
10:18
Arseni
Same here, border?
10:22
David Drebin
That's… this is the weakest picture in the book, so I may end up losing that and putting something.
10:25
Arseni
We might do it because we split one spread, and I'll show it to you when we get there.
10:30
David Drebin
That's the weakest image in the book.
10:36
Arseni
Yeah, okay, we're talking about invite only, this is just for my notes. Okay, next one,
10:38
David Drebin
Right side border. There you go, yup.
10:45
Arseni
Black? Well, it's not bad. Black? I mean, even better.
10:49
David Drebin
Yeah, I like block, I like block, I like… Well, let's see, white…
10:54
David Drebin
But let's go black, let's go black.
10:59
Arseni
Yeah.
11:01
Arseni
Better. Yeah. Why?
11:02
David Drebin
Yeah.
11:03
Arseni
Okay, so this one we separated, we're gonna separate them. I think so.
11:04
David Drebin
So, I think so. I think they should go on to… yeah. Yeah, better.
11:08
Arseni
No.
11:14
David Drebin
Is it better? No, full.
11:15
Arseni
Well, we could have the beautiful captions, big captions, like this one.
11:19
Arseni
Could be on this side…
11:24
David Drebin
Yeah.
11:28
David Drebin
I think some of these captions should be a lot bigger.
11:28
David Drebin
Times. I don't know, I'll leave that to you.
11:33
David Drebin
You know what I mean? I don't… I don't know, I don't know. I'm not…
11:36
Arseni
Well, we'll look at this, with the captions.
11:38
David Drebin
Let's blow that up, this picture, left side, blow it up.
11:40
David Drebin
Yeah, there you go. Better.
11:46
Arseni
And this one.
11:49
David Drebin
Do you like them separate, or do you like them together?
11:50
11:59Arseni
I… I'm not sure, because we need to see them with captions, and then we need to decide. Because with captions, they will look much more balanced.
11:55
David Drebin
Yeah, okay, yeah, okay, keep going, yup, keep going, yup.
12:04
Arseni
Okay, so… This one, maybe…
12:08
David Drebin
It's gotta go on one side.
12:17
Arseni
Yeah, I'll fix it. I'll move it to the left side, but now…
12:20
David Drebin
This one… this one's a tricky one here. This next one's a tricky one.
12:25
David Drebin
But…
12:29
Arseni
Yeah.
12:30
David Drebin
Like, let's go to the next one.
12:31
Arseni
Let me take a note about private time. I will move forward to the left side.
12:33
David Drebin
I might change the… I might change that one, too. Yeah.
12:38
Arseni
Here's the title?
12:41
David Drebin
It might… yeah, let's see this one, the border on this one.
12:42
David Drebin
Oh, that'll work. That'll work beautifully. That'll work beautifully. Wow.
12:48
David Drebin
Well, the black kind of matches the leg.
12:55
David Drebin
You know what I mean? With the white type, it'll be beautiful. Black.
12:58
Arseni
Black.
13:02
David Drebin
Next.
13:03
David Drebin
Beautiful, man. Beautiful. Next one, borderless side.
13:07
Arseni
Oh, so, again, margins for the caption.
13:10
David Drebin
Yep.
13:15
Arseni
Okay. Yeah.
13:16
13:19David Drebin
Border, left side, other side?
13:19
David Drebin
Black.
13:22
David Drebin
No, white.
13:26
David Drebin
Yeah, I like that there, yep.
13:29
David Drebin
Full, please, full.
13:32
David Drebin
Yeah, there we go. Good. I don't know, I would maybe move those over. I may… I'd have that, switch those over, switch them.
13:35
Arseni
Cannot hear you well. Move it to…
13:42
David Drebin
Reverse that, yeah, reverse that.
13:44
David Drebin
Yeah, there you go. There, I think that's better, yeah.
13:47
Arseni
What if the whole thing is black?
13:52
David Drebin
Fantastic. Nice shot. Fantastic.
13:57
David Drebin
Fantastic.
13:59
Arseni
Have.
14:00
David Drebin
Next one blown up. This book is fucking amazing. I love it.
14:01
Arseni
Fuck it.
14:05
David Drebin
Beautiful, I love it. No other side? Yup, that's the one. No other side.
14:06
David Drebin
Other side, black.
14:12
David Drebin
Nope, white.
14:14
David Drebin
Yeah. … go black?
14:16
David Drebin
Nope, white.
14:22
David Drebin
White.
14:23
David Drebin
Next one.
14:26
David Drebin
Move it over.
14:28
David Drebin
Other way?
14:30
David Drebin
Black, I don't know which side, though.
14:35
14:38Arseni
Yeah, site and…
14:37
David Drebin
That's hard, that's alright.
14:40
Arseni
That's fine, that's fine. Because of the gutter, at least. Yeah.
14:42
David Drebin
Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, I love it. It's amazing, yeah. Next one, too.
14:46
David Drebin
Kind of need to border on this one, I love this one.
14:52
Arseni
Yeah, we'll…
14:54
David Drebin
I love this series of craziness.
14:56
David Drebin
Pull that up.
14:59
David Drebin
Other way?
15:00
David Drebin
Oh, black for sure, black for sure. No other way?
15:02
David Drebin
Yeah, I blocked a…
15:06
David Drebin
Yup.
15:09
David Drebin
Let's see.
15:10
David Drebin
I think this is black, too.
15:12
Arseni
Yeah, let'.
15:14
David Drebin
Let's see white, let's see white?
15:15
David Drebin
No, let's go white, because we wanted the other one's black above it.
15:19
Arseni
Left or right?
15:23
David Drebin
Other way, that one, yeah, that one, yeah.
15:25
David Drebin
Next.
15:29
Arseni
I don't know, dude, you want really, like, white, because it's just…
15:29
David Drebin
Black again, black. There you go, black's better. Yeah, black's better, yeah.
15:34
Arseni
Yep.
15:39
David Drebin
Border again.
15:40
Arseni
Livelihood.
15:41
David Drebin
Other way… No other way? Other way?
15:45
David Drebin
Black, yeah, black's great.
15:52
David Drebin
See, these ones here, I think these ones… go lower, next one, go that down.
15:57
David Drebin
Maybe they should be separated, I'm not sure.
16:03
Arseni
Why don't
16:09
Arseni
White margins, in between.
16:10
David Drebin
They're so good together. It's like she's looking up, and her boyfriend's banging that girl. No, they're so good together. Bring them up totally, bring them up totally, bring them up.
16:13
Arseni
Up in what sense?
16:22
David Drebin
Full bleed?
16:24
David Drebin
Well, look, I'd say small white borders around the whole thing. Small white borders.
16:26
Arseni
Yeah, okay, I…
16:31
David Drebin
Small white borders around the whole thing, very small.
16:34
Arseni
I'll take, I'll take a note about double vision in agenda.
16:37
David Drebin
Very. Because those titles are so important for these images.
16:44
David Drebin
Border?
16:52
David Drebin
Other way.
16:53
David Drebin
Other way?
16:57
David Drebin
There we go, white, for sure.
16:59
Arseni
That way.
17:01
David Drebin
Whatever, yeah, because I don't want to wor… I don't want the border to fuck this up, so yeah.
17:02
Arseni
That's right. Did you say block or short?
17:07
David Drebin
No, I think… I think white's better.
17:10
David Drebin
The black kind of goes with the table a little bit.
17:12
David Drebin
Yup.
17:20
David Drebin
Black.
17:21
David Drebin
Blackout. Next.
17:23
David Drebin
Block, board block, yeah, we gotta get a board on the right side, yep.
17:28
Arseni
… She is in the gutter, so we'll need to…
17:35
David Drebin
Order.
17:40
Arseni
Yeah, we'll need to create a border, maybe on one side. I'm talking about one night in Rome.
17:40
David Drebin
Yep.
17:46
Arseni
Okay, we'll deal with this manually.
17:46
David Drebin
Yup.
17:50
Arseni
Let's go out of order… Okay, here…
17:50
David Drebin
Yeah, other way?
17:56
David Drebin
Black, right side black. No, right side black.
17:58
David Drebin
Black. Amazing. Wow, love it.
18:05
Arseni
Mmm.
18:08
David Drebin
This book is fucking amazing, man, I love it so much.
18:08
David Drebin
You know the problem is? It's all about the marketing. It's all about… it's not about how great it is. Like, if you sing a song and you're really great.
18:12
David Drebin
And no one is listening, then what's the point of singing the song? That's the problem. This is the problem.
18:18
David Drebin
Okay? Every time, this is the problem. How do you get people to see?
18:24
David Drebin
The work.
18:30
David Drebin
Right? And that's what Michelle's trying to do, is to… is to build the vision for David Drebin. I will give her… I will give her a year.
18:31
David Drebin
I'll give her until mid-December and be like, look.
18:39
David Drebin
We gotta… like, nothing's happening, we have to think about something else. I think you're great, but… like, I really like Michelle.
18:42
David Drebin
Not $8,000 a month.
18:49
David Drebin
She's just not. She's not, like, she's not. So, she's got a few good coasting months, like, you know, I'm leaving town, but eventually it's like.
18:51
David Drebin
It's not… I think you're great, but it's not $8,000 a month for me. I said to her today on the phone, I said, listen, what you're doing, we could automate this, and give you 8Gs a month.
19:01
David Drebin
So, you gotta figure out, like, I'm giving you an opportunity. You don't… there's no real sense of urgency. Like, this is a cushy job, but I'm telling you right now, I'm on my… I've given you for $14,000. I owe you another $4,000 in a week.
19:11
David Drebin
You know, and then that's fine, but I'll owe you another $4,000 in two weeks, that's fine too. Then I'll owe you another $4,000 in two weeks. I'll be like, that's not really fine. And I'll give you $4,000 in two more weeks. I'm like, I'm starting to get frustrated. Like, you gotta make something happen. Otherwise, I just can't pay you.
19:27
David Drebin
You know?
19:44
Arseni
Mmm.
19:44
David Drebin
I'm just like, she gave herself time because she made those sales.
19:45
David Drebin
But had she not made those sales?
19:49
David Drebin
I would not be… like…
19:52
David Drebin
I'd say to her, it's been 2 months, like, I think you're great, it's not $8,000 a month.
19:57
David Drebin
You know what I mean? It's not. It's just not, so…
20:01
Arseni
Okay, anyways.
20:06
David Drebin
Keep going.
20:07
Arseni
I'm not sure, black, it just blends in with the image too much, so maybe it may be.
20:07
David Drebin
What's that?
20:14
Arseni
Black or white?
20:15
David Drebin
Cold on.
20:17
David Drebin
Let me see… block. Let me see,
20:19
David Drebin
Missy Black? Oh, I… I… oh, no, white. We need to contrast. Yep, white, yep.
20:23
Arseni
…
20:28
David Drebin
Other side, that side, yeah.
20:30
Arseni
Technical.
20:33
Arseni
And, chris?
20:34
David Drebin
Black. I think black, I think black, yeah.
20:39
David Drebin
Oh, that's a great image. Fucking great.
20:45
David Drebin
Oh, God. Like, I'm… like, we're so good. Like, we're just so fucking good, you know what I mean?
20:48
21:17David Drebin
Do you notice a difference in my personality when I'm in New York or Toronto? Do you notice a difference?
20:57
Arseni
No, because I get used to you pretty fast, like, I… no, I didn't even think about this. I'm not sure, I'm not sure. I don't have that insight yet.
21:05
David Drebin
Haha, yes. Okay, next.
21:17
Arseni
Connect.
21:19
David Drebin
Next.
21:19
Arseni
Okay, so we'll add a.
21:22
David Drebin
I love… I don't think we put that in any of the books, but I love this image. I don't think it's in… is it in any of the books or not?
21:24
21:37David Drebin
I don't think it's an.
21:30
Arseni
Any other books? I don't remember, actually.
21:31
David Drebin
I think it might be in one of the books, I don't know which one, though.
21:37
Arseni
Listen's time.
21:42
Arseni
Maybe we can check the year it was released, and see what book we designed that year, and we can check.
21:45
David Drebin
Okay.
21:54
Arseni
I actually don't remember it in any of the books. Okay, so, that's it. We'll do the adjustments, and then we'll talk again.
21:55
David Drebin
But we're getting closer. I mean, the fact that the cover's done, we need to see a sample of the cover. I gotta see a sample of the cover. Have to.
22:05
Arseni
Yeah, we're just waiting to hear from her. I can follow up tomorrow if she doesn't respond about the question that Ivan, I think, asked.
22:11
Arseni
Bomb.
22:20
David Drebin
Alright, I'll talk to you tomorrow.
22:23
Arseni
Okay, we'll talk, we'll talk about it. Bye.
22:24