July 01, 2026 · 27 minutes
David Drebin David's Design Approval & Comment Sync
Speaker distribution
Ivan 40% Arseni 34% Mira 25% David Drebin 1%
Key Themes
- Let's not wait for him
- Let's explain to David how to share
- We'll just, yeah, we'll send you another
- We will take a write
- We will see what to do with
- We will show full
- We will do it without any developers
- We'll take all the beautiful pages
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Decisions Made in This Call
- Let's not wait for him.
- Let's explain to David how to share his screen.
- We'll just, yeah, we'll send you another link in 20 minutes, on Zoom.
- We will take a write.
- We will see what to do with Martinez next.
- We will show full.
- We will do it without any developers.
- We'll take all the beautiful pages.
- We'll do a test.
- We will reduce, for….
- We'll see, probably tomorrow.
- We can just make it easier.
All Action Items
| Owner | Task | Deadline | Priority | Source | |
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Share his screen, and better if we look at everything through his screen, I think | normal | David Drebin — Jul 01 call | ||
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Share the screen, I don't know | normal | David Drebin — Jul 01 call |
Promoted Action Items
| Owner | Task | Deadline | Priority |
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| Mohammed | The same about, Martinez and Alaco, so can you address | normal | |
| Mohammed | But we have to do something about Martinez | normal | |
| Mujtaba | Just, yeah, we'll send you another link in 20 minutes, on Zoom | normal |
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241 turns
Mira
Arseni.
1:31
Arseni
Yes.
1:33
Mira
I don't know, no, I…
1:34
Arseni
Yes.
1:39
Mira
I can only sign in with,
1:41
Mira
My Gmail, and with iHouse. And I don't want to sign in with iHouse, because then there are a lot of iHouse accounts on the call.
1:45
Mira
But, I can,
1:56
Mira
I log in with Miriana at gmail, but not Mira at iHouse Design. And I don't know how… how do I have that? I have no clue.
2:00
Arseni
Okay, I'll, I will add you under your Gmail,
2:10
Mira
Oh, goodness.
2:14
Arseni
A bit later.
2:15
Mira
Okay.
2:16
Arseni
Correct.
2:19
Mira
So, where is the link? Let me send… did you send the link to David now?
2:19
Arseni
No, because I'm waiting for Ivan. Do we need him?
2:24
Mira
Yes, because, you know, if there are… if there is need for, additional explanations.
2:27
Arseni
Okay, I'm calling him, but let's not wait for him, because I'm gonna give a link to David.
2:39
Mira
Okay.
2:46
Arseni
You have… Have that link handy, with the design approval form.
2:53
Mira
Yes.
2:59
Mira
But there are strange things about that.
3:00
Arseni
Let's explain to David how to share his screen, and better if we look at everything through his screen, I think.
3:04
Mira
Yes, but he's using self, iPhone.
3:13
Mira
So, I…
3:17
Arseni
Better.
3:18
Mira
You will not be able to talk and share screen.
3:21
Arseni
Yeah, but we need to guide him through the button to resave all the comments, and if he doesn't do it, at least we need to see them through video, through the video. Because I don't want to lose the comments he wrote, he just has to press a button
3:24
Arseni
Comments, and I think they will be sent to the server
3:43
Arseni
Had a bug that we discussed in detail. That's why I want to see all… everything that he wrote, so we don't lose it. Why wouldn't he be able to talk
3:49
Arseni
From his iPhone and share the screen, I don't know.
3:58
Arseni
Aww.
4:01
Mira
I really don't know. You know that he's always, how do I do that? Always asking, how do I do that?
4:02
Arseni
And so…
4:10
Mira
Did you see this.
4:11
Arseni
Okay, and so.
4:13
David Drebin
I'm in a very loud place, and I'm not on my earpiece, so I can't… I'm talking on the phone, but I can't see the screen. Can you wait 20 minutes, and I can call you from my room?
4:14
Arseni
Yeah, I think we can wait, right, Mira? We'll just, yeah, we'll send you another link in 20 minutes, on Zoom.
4:27
David Drebin
Hey, thanks. Okay, bye.
4:35
Arseni
Bye.
4:36
Mira
Okay, John. Don't leave yet. Let me share screen.
4:36
Mira
And where is that link?
4:49
Mira
Is he?
4:52
Mira
I have so many things here. Okay, this is it.
4:54
Mira
You see… a lock here.
4:59
Mira
It says that 14 approval blocks, 100% reviewed.
5:02
Mira
And there are all these, like, test comments from Mujtaba, test, and in the end, down.
5:08
Mira
In the end, down, we have this, you know.
5:16
Mira
Who reviewed and from which IP address. But there is no David here.
5:21
Mira
And, so my, concern is…
5:27
Mira
Shall we ever see that? Or he needs to do it again? And I would like if he does it again, but, if he will do it again, then, who will remove these comments? Test, hello, test, history, verifying, whatever that means.
5:33
Arseni
Well, I will think about this. Maybe I will remove it on my end from Codex.
5:51
Mira
Yes, before.
5:58
Arseni
Yes, I think that's what I will do, but I hope he doesn't have to write again, it's just his cookies need to be pushed to the server. He already wrote everything. That information sits on his device, not on…
5:59
Mira
He just needs to refresh, yeah.
6:17
Arseni
Not refresh, but save… save note button. Click it once. That's what he needs to do.
6:19
Mira
No, that's…
6:25
Arseni
Yes.
6:27
Mira
What is that save note button that he needs?
6:28
Arseni
You're showing it to us on the right side.
6:30
Mira
Oh, this save note is for whole document.
6:35
Arseni
Yeah, did he even press it once? Maybe he didn't even press it.
6:40
Mira
He didn't even… you know what I… what am I concerned about?
6:43
6:43Mira
He sent the, this link, and asked, can somebody show, to Michelle, there is,
6:49
Mira
You know, where is her name here?
6:59
Mira
So he did not even see this con- connect.
7:01
Mira
Where her name is.
7:06
Mira
Disconnect. He didn't see it.
7:08
Mira
I'm afraid he didn't see many pages.
7:11
Arseni
Well, I'm not sure. I.
7:14
Mira
But, even you need to fix her name.
7:17
Ivan
Yes, but give me a right name, then.
7:21
Mira
It's in the group.
7:24
Arseni
But how is it possible that, mistakes are made? Don't you copy-paste information when you have it, and when you don't have it, you…
7:25
Arseni
Put John Smith, or whatever, like, how can you possibly misspell someone's name?
7:34
Arseni
If you copy-paste.
7:40
Ivan
And just copy-paste, what we have.
7:43
Arseni
Okay, so you copy-pasted me…
7:47
Ivan
Yeah, I did not retype such things. Of course, I copy-pasted, and if we have a mistake in copy-paste text, then we have it before, from, you know, message or whatever we take.
7:49
Mira
No, I don't believe that, because this name is, her name is, like, stretching for some time.
8:03
Mira
As triple digits.
8:11
Ivan
Anyway, give me a right name, I will, copy-paste it now.
8:14
Mira
Okay. Very sad.
8:18
Ivan
Of course, I will do it in Figma, this will not be in this form, but it doesn't matter, we will take a write.
8:19
Mira
Okay, then I'll give it to you in…
8:25
Ivan
In… one minute.
8:30
Mira
But now it is a link.
8:33
Ivan
Anyway, I will clear this, no problem. Okay, so…
8:37
Ivan
I will update it in Figma.
8:41
Mira
But you can't update it here, no?
8:46
Ivan
No, maybe Arseni can just, you know, use updated, info.
8:49
Ivan
So, Michelle, no.
8:57
Ivan
Tripodi. Tripoddy. So somebody showed cheap audio, right?
9:00
Mira
Yes.
9:06
Mira
Maybe AI.
9:08
Ivan
AI, again.
9:12
Ivan
Okay, updated in design, in one screen,
9:16
Ivan
So, let me edit it in the rest.
9:25
Ivan
Okay, but, okay, this is all what,
9:35
Mira
And now, in 2020…
9:39
Mira
In 20… in 20 minutes, David will be able to join, so Arthene will create a new, Zoom In… I mean, zoom in, new Zoom link, and, we'll…
9:41
Arseni
Well, it might even be the same, doesn't have to be, doesn't have to be new, but, we can talk about anything now, even about David Martinez, like, Niera, do you have any questions? I want to talk about.
9:56
10:04Mira
I have, two things to talk about. It's about David Martinez.
10:11
Mira
So, did you test?
10:17
Mira
Did you test, and can we do it? Or should… let's… or tomorrow, I will.
10:19
Arseni
We did not test enough. We had a long conversation yesterday about resizing that
10:25
Arseni
That Ivan didn't like, or Martinez. I think that is very fixable, so when I fix it.
10:35
Arseni
We will see what to do with Martinez next. But, also, Ivan produced a beautiful
10:43
Arseni
Email page today for David Drabbin, which means we can produce all other pages for David Drabbin, and either we reduce the cost of David Drabbin by 50%, I think, or 30%,
10:51
Arseni
Or we do the whole thing ourselves. I think, Ivan, let's see how it works on mobile, and let's maybe try another page, just to have the confidence. Like, try something more complex.
11:06
Mira
But you are again turning everything to David Rebbin, but I'm talking about Martinez. When can we decide what to do?
11:18
Arseni
We can decide around tomorrow, when I work on these resizes. Do you know what I, when I say resizes, do you know what I mean?
11:29
Mira
Probably… resizing the image to fit the frame.
11:40
Arseni
No, Ivan, could you just explain.
11:47
Mira
So resizing from, web to… to mobile.
11:50
Arseni
Well, it's, we're talking about responsive behavior. We're talking about.
11:55
Ivan
No, not just responsive, not just responsive.
12:01
Mira
While servicizing.
12:02
Ivan
Yes. Let me just show my screen.
12:04
Ivan
I will show my screen. Yes, I found this, post. So, look… Do you see my screen?
12:09
Arseni
No.
12:17
Arseni
Beautiful.
12:19
Ivan
Okay. So… Now I'm working. I,
12:19
Ivan
This previous version, and if we refresh, we see it's become text. Now I'm working with typography of this text.
12:27
Ivan
So now, previously I used just this, like, one graphic, now graphic is just logo, all this already become text. And now we have such resize animation.
12:35
Ivan
Like here.
12:47
Ivan
And, this menu appearing, and resizing.
12:51
Arseni
I think in Zoom, we cannot see it in Zoom, because Zoom doesn't have 24 frames per second, but it's a beautiful resizing when these galleries reflow gradually to a new position, and I would.
12:55
Ivan
Yes.
13:09
Arseni
Himself.
13:10
Ivan
I described what I need to do, and we, yeah, we spent some time together, but, yes.
13:12
Ivan
Finally, it looks quite good, when it's quite slow, but fast enough, and smooth.
13:20
13:25Mira
Why so slow?
13:26
Ivan
Because if you do it faster, it will look like, you know, almost instant, and then why we need some animation?
13:28
Ivan
If it may work without animation, okay, it may work, but better if we do some animation which, you know, looks more interesting than just regular, stupid, basic HTML content flow and moving to the next slide.
13:36
Mira
Can you move this up, the slide? I don't see the video here.
13:52
Ivan
So, of course, this is just a video that I encoded, and it's about 40 seconds, or about this. It's looped, of course, with no sound, and in real website, it will be a full video with 3 minutes, right? But the main thing was.
13:57
Mira
Why 3 minutes?
14:12
Ivan
Because we will show full.
14:14
Mira
We do.
14:16
Ivan
Right?
14:17
Ivan
Or all three full videos. So, the only thing what I need to do here, I want to correct typography here, because when I created, you know.
14:17
Ivan
Difference between Figma and,
14:27
Ivan
Real browser, I see what we need to modify this font a little bit. It looks a little bit smaller than we need, and all these small things.
14:30
Ivan
Should be corrected, but if we're talking about basics.
14:42
Ivan
If we're talking about this preview, I think, for example, I don't think what Castell have any problems to put any video and make it, you know, autoplay and loop without sound. It's not a problem for Castell. Castell, strong developer, so…
14:46
Ivan
But, if we're talking about this, cell flow with resizing, like this, all this, may take some time, and maybe it's,
15:03
Ivan
You know, not good enough to use Castell time for this. But if we decide this and find good animation, then Castell can take it and understand what we have. Image, we have text, of course, link and emails will be clickable. For now, it's not clickable, and it's not important in this case.
15:15
Ivan
Well, depending on what Castell can understand what we have cells don't resize it by default on the store.
15:33
Ivan
But we can move it with animation, and all this basically now works properly. Else, I understand how to.
15:41
Mira
Whoa.
15:49
Ivan
We'll work with.
15:49
Mira
That's right.
15:50
Ivan
And how it prepared to make it look good.
15:51
Mira
It's hard to believe.
15:54
Ivan
So, Castell can take this HTML, maybe he will ignore some code of this, but he can take part of this code and save some time, and we get right result, what we already have here.
15:55
Mira
Okay, but you said the same about,
16:07
Mira
The same about, Martinez and Alaco, so can you address.
16:10
Ivan
Yes, you know.
16:16
Mira
So tomorrow, okay, tomorrow will be…
16:17
Ivan
One successful test, right? Because a test, what Arseni created before with Martinez, was not so good. If you're talking about recyc.
16:19
Mira
Yay!
16:27
Ivan
Don't work.
16:28
Mira
No.
16:28
Ivan
Yeah, so, I think if we create it in a different way, for example, if I will create this codecs, when I prepare graphics, when I extend everything, one by one, step by step, and the first step is create, for example, the cells. The second step, make it more complex and, put, mixed content inside.
16:29
16:45Ivan
And all these things together.
16:49
Ivan
May work, and, now, no, we can…
16:52
Ivan
Give developer code, all this, and explain what exactly we need. They have real, animated, and smooth, and with good graphics. Basically, they even can take all these graphics, because it's almost okay. No animated menu, but logo right, spacing right, position right, visual resize, with all this.
16:56
Ivan
It's all,
17:20
Ivan
Just, you know… You know, I'm not sure about we can remove developer, as I told. I already told,
17:22
Mira
I think that you are playing too much with this.
17:28
Ivan
No, I don't think we can, developer need… we still need developer, anyway. But.
17:32
Mira
This is too much testing.
17:39
Ivan
It's not testing. It's not just testing. We did much more than testing. We, create behavior, animation, graphics, developer can take it.
17:41
Ivan
And, maybe they need to modify it. But, as the main thing, what, it's not about.
17:52
Mira
Do you know any developer who likes modifying code? I don't…
17:58
Ivan
You know, all developers…
18:04
Ivan
All developers don't like modified code, even their own, even their own. They don't like, yes, especially, sometimes especially their own code. So, but, if you're learning something about programming, all good teachers tell you what,
18:07
Ivan
Developer, code writing. It's, work based on,
18:24
Ivan
Most part, when you copy, text again and again, and the second thing would be rewriting your code, and code for another developer's, 1 billion times.
18:31
Ivan
So, it's okay. It's okay, it's a regular thing for developer.
18:41
Ivan
In this case, we just save time, and we need to… for example, if I can modify this topography, if I can find the right style in browser, not in Figma, yeah, and when I see difference between Figma and browser.
18:46
Ivan
I don't need to write Castell many, or Soaring many, please increase font, gray font by 1 pixel.
19:01
Arseni
Yes, it's about saving our time and…
19:09
Ivan
Yeah, we just save time for many corrections, and many small corrections.
19:13
Arseni
But, it's not about… But it's more than that, because I'll… let me just say it. We have a fork, the decision fork.
19:18
Arseni
Because it's no longer about Castell, who has a reliable team.
19:30
Arseni
It's… now we can go to Arkady, and maybe he'll say, okay, it's not…
19:36
Arseni
It's not 8 weeks. If you give me HTML skins, I'll do it in 2 weeks, or 3 weeks. It's a lot less work for anybody, even Narkadi, who is easy to work with, and I actually think that we will do it without any developers. You just, I don't know, Ivan, you tell me what you think, but…
19:42
Arseni
I can already see that not only I, you can produce beautiful pages without me. You did the first test, so we'll take all the beautiful pages and connect them to the CMS. Us. No Arcadia, no Castell, no Alaco.
20:01
20:06Arseni
That's in the past. I think. I mean, I cannot prove it yet, but we can prove it maybe in two.
20:16
Mira
No, that is what you wish, and that's not… Yes, that's what I wish. But, yeah, but that doesn't mean that it is reality.
20:24
Arseni
No, it doesn't mean, it doesn't mean, but for us to know, we are very close to knowing, once we get, Martina's homepage…
20:30
Arseni
Page done the way we like, or even David Reben will connect two pages and a menu, and we'll do a test. For that, we need a CMS with content. And Ivan, that DDCMS is not ready yet, I think.
20:41
Ivan
When will it be ready? You will not start, yeah.
20:56
Arseni
Okay, so you start, that is the most important thing for any… anybody. If we hire Castell or Laco, everybody needs a CMS, and me, I need a CMS to connect the homepage to the CMS,
20:59
Arseni
So, that's the next step.
21:13
Mira
No, you are, keep everything, too. We shouldn't have, accepted, Martina's, job now, because he's waiting and waiting, and, we are…
21:17
Mira
Late with him, we are late with… actually, we are not late with David.
21:33
Arseni
No, they're both David, so, who…
21:38
Mira
No, I'm calling you… David Martinez, I'm calling Martinez, and David is…
21:41
Mira
But we have to do something about Martinez.
21:47
Arseni
Well, just asking. We were doing, like, every day we work, every, on both projects.
21:50
Ivan
It's not just testing, we're checking what we can do, and to avoid all mistakes. For example, you know Marina, it's not about… I already told, I don't think we can remove developer, but we can reduce the number of corrections, we can make work easier and faster, and if you remember, we never fit in a basic budget, right?
21:58
Ivan
We're always working, now, working first with the developer, then we create
22:21
Ivan
More or less, almost final version, and then we're still working with additional problems, details, additional mistakes or features for browsers, you know, and all this consume time, too.
22:26
Ivan
I think we… still, we work with Castel, Alaco, Arcadia, it's not a problem.
22:40
Mira
Listen, I think Costell is not an option for David, so he wants, like, $5,000, $4,000, $5,000 for this job. I don't know, but it's a very high…
22:47
Mira
So, do you think that he will reduce when you send him the.
23:04
Arseni
Yes, that's what I think.
23:08
Mira
We will reduce, for…
23:10
Mira
You know, maybe… but even if he reduces 50%, he will still be more expensive than our cad.
23:13
Arseni
Yes, but the thing is, he's reliable. He has people, and people who get hit by a bus.
23:22
23:27Arseni
Will be replaced by new people. It's a structure of at least 3 people. When Arkady is hit by a bus, well, he was hit. He…
23:32
Arseni
He… he's in a wheelchair, you remember this, right?
23:42
Mira
Yes, but he… there is no… there is no chance that he will be hit by bus again, two times, so…
23:46
Mira
It's a better option than…
23:54
Arseni
No, but he spends time in hospitals, or these, recovery…
23:56
Mira
He says he will be available.
24:02
Arseni
Yeah, available now, not available next time when David needs a new, completely new section. So, I want to reduce dependencies on anybody, and maybe we can reduce, we just need a… we'll see, probably tomorrow. Can we get rid of all these people, and…
24:04
Arseni
The only dependency would be our codex assistants. Someone like Riaan, someone like Mohammed, but maybe Father…
24:23
Mira
Forget about Riaan. Riaan is not… he will…
24:30
Arseni
That someone like, not real, someone that someone is not difficult to find. Castell is difficult to find, but someone who knows…
24:32
Arseni
How to use codecs and has a bit of taste and attention to detail is a lot easier to find, because the technology does most of the work, not their 20 years struggling with HTML limitation. That is gone. That is the past, I think.
24:42
Arseni
Ivan, do you agree that now.
25:02
Arseni
Is easier.
25:05
Ivan
Partition, you know, partition, I think we can just make it easier. We cannot reduce and remove some parts of all this work, development, but we can make it easier and avoid, you know.
25:06
Ivan
Corrections and mistakes, so… I think we can just, you know, we still need Castell, we still need all guys, but we can make it work easier and faster.
25:19
Arseni
Yeah, and so we're not waiting… Okay, but…
25:32
Mira
They are not doing anything, that's my problem.
25:35
Arseni
No, we are doing.
25:37
Mira
We are talking about making work easier, but we are…
25:38
Mira
No, I'm just talking about reality, about what.
25:44
Ivan
Dan, I started this page yesterday.
25:48
Mira
But then… With Rabben, I'm talking about Martinez. I want.
25:51
Ivan
It doesn't matter, any section of any website. If we're talking about any complex layout, we can… if I, no, if I can make it visually better, right? If I can find all details, what I can solve, I can do this.
25:54
Ivan
And, Castell don't need to think about stupid spacing if I will set up it right.
26:11
Ivan
If we need to update something, yeah, I will tell it, but if I can find any problems right now on just, let's call it a visual demo stage, why not? And it will be much faster for me.
26:16
Ivan
In this case, I will not write, right?
26:30
Arseni
I don't want to,
26:33
Arseni
Invite David under the same link, so I will start a new call, it's just a little safer, because I don't know how it works. So I'm gonna call you guys now, just give me…
26:35
Ivan
And what we'll tell with…
26:46
26:48